Sorry Chuck, the facts say ‘No.’ African-Americans are the most devout demographic; so by your logic black-on-black crime should be virtually non-existent.
It’s almost as if religious belief doesn’t affect most people’s behavior in a clear, positive way. Fancy that.

Sorry Chuck, the facts say ‘No.’ African-Americans are the most devout demographic; so by your logic black-on-black crime should be virtually non-existent.

It’s almost as if religious belief doesn’t affect most people’s behavior in a clear, positive way. Fancy that.

Yep, just like how Sarah Palin brought in all those female voters.
“Who cares what his policies are, or the way his party has treated us for decades? He’s the same ethnicity as us!”

Yep, just like how Sarah Palin brought in all those female voters.

“Who cares what his policies are, or the way his party has treated us for decades? He’s the same ethnicity as us!”

jethroq:

secotm:

Nice straw man, Wise. “Ban all guns and make things entirely safe.” Should I even bother responding to Wise’s response to something no one has ever said? Why not?
Wise is ignoring that we take steps to prevent pedophiles from getting to children (unless they’re in the Catholic church, then they’re beyond the reach of the law; but that’s a rant for another day), that we don’t have a society that fetishizes drunk driving (just the opposite; we have awareness campaigns designed to get people to stop and not drive drunk), and we have law enforcement agencies that crack (no pun intended) down on the manufacture, distribution, sale and usage of drugs like cocaine and meth (and since when did those last two represent some huge threat to children?).
In other words, we take steps to prevent any of those from harming kids/people in general. Wise must know this, unless he spends all his time hiding in his basement, waiting for the Mayan apocalypse/UN black helicopters/Obama’s FEMA operatives to end everything he knows and loves. He just has to pretend things aren’t that way in order to maintain his worldview and political stance.
What steps do we take to prevent the mentally ill from mowing down dozens of people with weapons designed for war? Oh, right. None. And Wise knows that as well.
Fuck you, Wise. If you ever want to grow up and have a mature, rational conversation about gun control feel free to join us at the adult’s table. Until then, keep your childish scribblings and “We can’t ban guns because bad things will continue to happen” bullshit to yourself.
(Also, on a tangent, how many minority women are advocating for gun rights? Not all political issues can be easily divided along racial or gender lines, but gun rights and lobbying for same are overwhelmingly a white man’s thing. Just another case of white guys putting their views in the mouths of minorities in order to make it seem the Republican party is not just a bunch of white men.)

On the last bit, I have seen some black people talk about gun control having racist origins, but that’s neither here or there.

After I wrote this post I went to brush my teeth and shower, and as I was standing there I was still thinking about the “Views on gun rights by race” question. My initial guess is that because black people (especially black men) are seen as criminals or potential criminals to a greater extent than white people (or Asians or Hispanics), mainstream society associates guns and black people in terms of criminals.
Taking that idea, it’s not much of a leap to imagine attempts at gun restrictions aimed at black people, though the specifics seem to elude me. Would the restrictions be on handguns and not rifles? Criminal background checks? Hard to see the NRA going along with either of those; they’re too obstinate to allow anything that even hints at restriction.

jethroq:

secotm:

Nice straw man, Wise. “Ban all guns and make things entirely safe.” Should I even bother responding to Wise’s response to something no one has ever said? Why not?

Wise is ignoring that we take steps to prevent pedophiles from getting to children (unless they’re in the Catholic church, then they’re beyond the reach of the law; but that’s a rant for another day), that we don’t have a society that fetishizes drunk driving (just the opposite; we have awareness campaigns designed to get people to stop and not drive drunk), and we have law enforcement agencies that crack (no pun intended) down on the manufacture, distribution, sale and usage of drugs like cocaine and meth (and since when did those last two represent some huge threat to children?).

In other words, we take steps to prevent any of those from harming kids/people in general. Wise must know this, unless he spends all his time hiding in his basement, waiting for the Mayan apocalypse/UN black helicopters/Obama’s FEMA operatives to end everything he knows and loves. He just has to pretend things aren’t that way in order to maintain his worldview and political stance.

What steps do we take to prevent the mentally ill from mowing down dozens of people with weapons designed for war? Oh, right. None. And Wise knows that as well.

Fuck you, Wise. If you ever want to grow up and have a mature, rational conversation about gun control feel free to join us at the adult’s table. Until then, keep your childish scribblings and “We can’t ban guns because bad things will continue to happen” bullshit to yourself.

(Also, on a tangent, how many minority women are advocating for gun rights? Not all political issues can be easily divided along racial or gender lines, but gun rights and lobbying for same are overwhelmingly a white man’s thing. Just another case of white guys putting their views in the mouths of minorities in order to make it seem the Republican party is not just a bunch of white men.)

On the last bit, I have seen some black people talk about gun control having racist origins, but that’s neither here or there.

After I wrote this post I went to brush my teeth and shower, and as I was standing there I was still thinking about the “Views on gun rights by race” question. My initial guess is that because black people (especially black men) are seen as criminals or potential criminals to a greater extent than white people (or Asians or Hispanics), mainstream society associates guns and black people in terms of criminals.

Taking that idea, it’s not much of a leap to imagine attempts at gun restrictions aimed at black people, though the specifics seem to elude me. Would the restrictions be on handguns and not rifles? Criminal background checks? Hard to see the NRA going along with either of those; they’re too obstinate to allow anything that even hints at restriction.

demonjoe93:

secotm:

Yes, it’s Obama’s fault America didn’t come together, uniting behind him.
Or maybe it’s the lingering effects of slavery, Jim Crow, the Southern Strategy and the whole “The South will rise again” mentality of a large swath of the country that the first black president was not given total support. Maybe that had something to do with it.

Because everything is about race huh?

Yes, everything. EVEN PIZZA TOPPINGS.
But I wouldn’t expect a pepperoni-racist like you to understand that.

demonjoe93:

secotm:

Yes, it’s Obama’s fault America didn’t come together, uniting behind him.

Or maybe it’s the lingering effects of slavery, Jim Crow, the Southern Strategy and the whole “The South will rise again” mentality of a large swath of the country that the first black president was not given total support. Maybe that had something to do with it.

Because everything is about race huh?

Yes, everything. EVEN PIZZA TOPPINGS.

But I wouldn’t expect a pepperoni-racist like you to understand that.

Wow! The RNC had more than one minority speaker? Well I’m convinced, they can’t be racist. I mean, it’s not as if it’s a blatant attempt at appearing diverse and inclusive after SB 1070 and voting down the DREAM Act and all these new attempts at voter restriction and…

Wow! The RNC had more than one minority speaker? Well I’m convinced, they can’t be racist. I mean, it’s not as if it’s a blatant attempt at appearing diverse and inclusive after SB 1070 and voting down the DREAM Act and all these new attempts at voter restriction and…

Hey, it’s just like that Onion article. Except I don’t think Granlund is being satirical here so much as scare-mongering.

Hey, it’s just like that Onion article. Except I don’t think Granlund is being satirical here so much as scare-mongering.